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Immortality
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Question: If you could live forever, would you and why?

Answer: I would not live forever, because we should not live forever, because if we were supposed to live forever, then we would live forever, but we cannot live forever, which is why I would not live forever.   -- Miss Alabama in the 1994 Miss USA contest



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immortality

immortality (îm´ôr-tàl´î-tê) noun
1. The quality or condition of being immortal.
2. Endless life or existence.
3. Enduring fame.

Immortality

Deathlessness should be arrived at in a . . . haphazard fashion. Loving fame as much as any man, we shall carve our initials in the shell of a tortoise and turn him loose in a peat bog.
E. B. White (1899-1985), U.S. author, editor. "Immortality," in New Yorker (28 March 1936; repr. in Writings from the New Yorker 1927-1976, ed. by Rebecca M. Dale, 1991).

Immortality

To achieve great things we must live as though we were never going to die.
Luc Vauvenargues, Marquis de (1715-47), French moralist. Refléxions et Maximes, no. 142 (1746).

Immortality

Perhaps nature is our best assurance of immortality.
Eleanor Roosevelt (1884-1962), U.S. columnist, lecturer. "My Day," syndicated newspaper column (24 April 1945).

Immortality

He had decided to live for ever or die in the attempt.
Joseph Heller (b. 1923), U.S. author. Catch-22, ch. 3 (1961), of Yossarian.

Immortality

Every idea is endowed of itself with immortal life, like a human being. All created form, even that which is created by man, is immortal. For form is independent of matter: molecules do not constitute form.
Charles Baudelaire (1821-67), French poet. My Heart Laid Bare, sct. 102 (written c. 1865; published in Intimate Journals, 1887; tr. by Christopher Isherwood, 1930; rev. by Don Bachardy, 1989).

Immortality

Immortality is what nature possesses without effort and without anybody's assistance, and immortality is what the mortals must therefore try to achieve if they want to live up to the world into which they were born, to live up to the things which surround them and to whose company they are admitted for a short while.
Hannah Arendt (1906-75), German-born U.S. political philosopher. Between Past and Future, ch. 2 (1961).

Immortality

I don't want to achieve immortality through my work . . . I want to achieve it through not dying.
Woody Allen (b. 1935), U.S. filmmaker. Quoted in: Edward Lax, Woody Allen and his Comedy, ch. 12 (1975).

What is history? Its beginning is that of the centuries of systematic work devoted to the solution of the enigma of death, so that death itself may eventually be overcome. That is why people write symphonies, and why they discover mathematical internal linkinfinity and internal linkelectromagneticinternal linkwaves.
Boris Pasternak (1890-1960), Russian poet, novelist, translator. Nikolay Nikolayevich, in Doctor Zhivago, ch. 1, sct. 5 (1957).



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Universal Immortalism: The belief that death can be overcome completely, even for people already dead.[R. Michael Perry] - Terminology From The internal linkOmega Point Theory List



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"he's not dead, really... as long as we remember him... " - McCoy re: Spock, in _Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan_



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After Enkidu's death, internal linkGilgamesh seeks to learn the secret of immortality from a internal linksage who tells him that a plant in the sea bestows eternal internal linkyouth. Gilgamesh finds the plant but loses it. The Gilgamesh epic was widely studied and translated in ancient times, and Greeks incorporated elements of it into their epics. 

Gilgamesh


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So everything lingers but a internal linkmoment, and hastens on to death, The plant and the insect die at the end of summer, the brute and the man after a few years; death reaps unweariedly.  Yet notwithstanding this, nay, as if this were not so at all, everything is always there in its place, just as if everything were imperishable... This is temporal immortality.  In consequence of this, notwithstanding thousands of years of death and decay, nothing has been lost, not an atom of the matter, still less anything of the inner being, that exhibits itself as nature.  Therefore every moment we can cheerfully cry, 'In spite of internal linktime, death and decay, we are still all together!'"

- Shopenhauer



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Pierre Teilhard de Chardin Physics Of Immortality by Frank Tipler Singularity

Some people remain big fans of internal linkTeilhard de Chardin's apotheosis - the notion that we will all combine into a single macro-entity, almost literally godlike in its knowledge and internal linkperceptioninternal linkTipler speaks of such a destiny in his book internal link_The Physics of Immortality_atomjacked inventory cache, and internal linkIsaac Asimov offers a similar prescription as mankind's long-range goal, in internal link_Foundation's Edge_atomjacked inventory cache. I have never found this notion particularly appealing -- at least in the standard version in which the macro-being simply subsumes all individuals within it, and proceeds to think just one thought at a time. In Earth, I talk about a variation on this theme that might be more palatable, in which we all remain individual while at the same time contributing to a new layer of planetary consciousness -- in other words we get to both have our cake and eat it too. At the opposite extreme, in the new 'Foundation' novel, that I am currently writing as a sequel to Asimov's famous novels, I make more explicit what Isaac has been painting all along -- the image that conservative robots who fear human transcendence, might actively work to prevent a human singularity for thousands of years, fearing that it would bring us harm.  In any event, it is a fascinating notion, and one that can be rather frustrating at times. A good parent wants the best for his or her children, and for them to be better. And yet, it can be poignant to internal linkimagine them -- or perhaps their grandchildren -- living almost like gods, with omniscient knowledge and perception, and near immortality.

But when has human existence been anything but poignant? All of our speculations and musings today may seem amusing and naive, to those descendants. But I hope they will also experience moments of respect. They may even pause and realize that we were really pretty good for souped-up cavemen.

- David Brin - _Comments on Vinge's internal linkSingularity_



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Robert Anton Wilson's pyramid The Illuminati Papers by Robert Anton Wilson

...life expectancy in Shakespeare's day was about 30 years.  (That's why internal linkShakespeare wrote of himself so often as aging and declining in sonnets written when he was only in his early 30s.)  In England, 100 years ago, life expectancy was still less than 40 years among members of the working class.  It was 60 around the turn of the century of this country.  It is now 72.  Even if Bjorksten, Segall, Phedra, and the hundreds of other longevity researchers are overly optimistic, even if we can raise lifespan only 50 per cent in this generation, that still means that you will probably live at least 30 years past the projected 72."

"This revolution can't be defined in ordinary terms, either scientific or spiritual.  Our whole understanding of science and faith is being radically mutated.  Just this year, Dr. Ronald Bracewell, professor of engineering and astronomy at Stanford, and Dr. Frank Drake, astronomer at Cornell, announced their belief that "we'll learn the secret of longevity from space aliens who are trying to communicate with us right now."  These are distinguised men who are careful of their reputations.  Dr. Drake later wrote in the prestigious Technology Review of M.I.T. that he now believes the majority of advanced races in this galaxy have immortality."
internal linkRobert Anton Wilson - _The internal linkIlluminati Papers_atomjacked inventory cache published (internal link1980)



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internal linkPhoenix (mythology)

Phoenix (mythology), legendary bird that lived in Arabia. The phoenix consumed itself by fire every 500 years, and a new phoenix sprang from its ashes. In ancient internal linkEgypt the phoenix represented the sun. Early Christian tradition adopted the phoenix as a symbol of immortality and resurrection.


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I asked the spirits to show me internal linkShakespeare. They said, "okay" (they are not always so accomodating). He was a internal linkmagical being of great size and power, made of energy. There were a million spirits in the form of fizzy colored internal linklights internal linkdancing around him, like tiny internal linkJapanese lanterns or candleflames, helping him as he wrote, his pen scrawling across the internal linkquantum Void. James Joyce was there as well - he was like a little pendant resting on Shakespeare's desk. I recognized that part of the artist's spirit went directly into their creations. Their spiritual power depended on the earthbound public's continued desire for their work. That is the deeper meaning of the artist's internal linkquest for immortality.

- Daniel Pinchback - _Breaking Open The Head_ (online version)



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internal link1980 interview:

internal linkGEORGE CARLIN: As much as I love my family, I enjoy it when the house is empty, because then I know I'm truly alone, as we all are on the planet, after all. You know, every atom in us is originally from a star. And during my internal linkmoment of aloneness, I'm most mindful of that; that I'm just another group of matter randomly but wonderfully arranged. That's when I feel my immortality.

PLAYBOY:   Your immortality, as in afterlife?

CARLIN:   Not in the christian sense, but I do believe in the survivability of the human spirit. We were all part of a giant explosion once, and we've come a long way. The incredible distances of past and future internal linktime, the history of this whole fucking, vibrating, internal linkresonating mother mass - that's what I read and think about more than anything else.



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"Frankly, I'd find life a bore if I weren't playing for very high stakes in a very high risk situation. We do have the chance now, for internal linkUtopia and even for immortality. If we who see this opportunity aren't smart enough, adroit enough, and fast enough to seize the chance, then we don't deserve to initiate the next stage of internal linkevolution... Meanwhile, until they shovel me under, I still think our side is winning and that the power brokers that you worry about are a bunch of dying internal linkdinosaurs."

"We should always try to have a internal linkreality-tunnel this week, bigger, funnier, and more hopeful than we had last week, and we should aim even higher next week. Besides, paranoia is a Loser script; it defines somebody else as being in charge around here except me. I prefer to define myself and my friends as the architects of the future. If David Rockefeller has the same idea about himself and his friends, well, the future itself will decide which coalition was really on the Evolutionary internal linkWave: the Money people or the Idea people"

internal linkRobert Anton Wilson, 1977 interview with internal link_Conspiracy Digest_



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post rock release _Millions Now Living Will Never Die_ by Tortoise (1996)



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internal linkUsenet: alt.immortal

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